mountain lions in new hampshire

Thank you. So let's let's go to the phones. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Thanks for your call. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Well within there. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. These were normal everyday folks. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Is that typically what was happening there. And they were using all the habitat. Caller: Absolutely. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. So so. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Caller: Oh yeah. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. I found a second scat scent both to him. We want answers. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Caller: Are probably. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Well I can't tell you what you saw. Just. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Your support makes this news available to everyone. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. They sent it already. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. They were able to do all that by genetics. Really appreciate it. Right. They're just moving around freely. Mountain Lions in NH. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. It was not a bobcat. Tell us your story. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Patrick Tate: Okay. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. He said matter of fact I do. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. John is calling from Bennington. I think that you probably are. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. So what those ranges. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. No I saw a camel. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Phone number 1 800. Infinite Scroll Enabled. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. What kind of animal is that. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Part II. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Is this kind of a typical story. Peter Biello: Yeah. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. But no proof was offered. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Absolutely. Right. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. It's bigger but bigger and better world. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it [email protected], OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. So. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Peter Biello: Ok. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Yes and you want to share what you learned. So what a neat experience. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. You don't know what's going on. How far were you from this cat. Rick your thoughts. Sam Evans Brown. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. So Michael follows with the question. 1957. And you know all that. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. A lot of times. One was in Shelton. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. You need a permit to have that. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. "Of those three to five reports,. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. You saw what you saw. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I tracked cats and all the western states. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Like why would you want one wildlife. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. So do they. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events for some excitement. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Caller: Oh hi. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. It's good to talk to you. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. What's going on. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. They absolutely do. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. No doubt in my mind it was. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Patrick Tate: Yes. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Caller: I do. 50 feet above the most. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. We'll push great photos to the front page. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. I'm Peter Biello. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. It doesn't happen as much anymore. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Peter Biello: Hmm. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. About Lions. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. 1957. That's too big for Bobcat. So. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. So take care of this problem. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. 1,470 likes. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. I'm Peter B yellow. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Mountain lion or cat running across. Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or [email protected] to request an observation report form. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. It's listed as population of least concern. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Something along those lines. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. The report came in from a conservation officer. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". Post your sightings and NH photos here! So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Or years or so. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. We had six copies printed out each. So give us a call now. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. I mean it wasn't your idea. Have it reported down in the Keene area. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. So that did it for me. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw.

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