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Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. Filter Churches. We should stand out because we are different. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. I usually look fwd to these. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. @greg Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. But if your axe is based on tithing being practiced & encouraged (no one mandates & makes me give)then you have a axe with much of Christendom. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. @greg Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. But not all Baptist churches are that way! We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. I think most people would agree with me on this. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. p.s. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. I wish you well in your new school and church. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Thank you for writing back. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. Under grace we can give as much as we like. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. 2. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. G.L. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. Baptists are not Protestants! The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. We use our monetary resources alone. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. I will not post here again. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. His resources are free from this sight. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. PO BOX 346. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. I only know of two. The list is endless. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? Im not sure about this one. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. Select church size. 4. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. So, IT IS in the New Testament! When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. I dont understand the context of your comment. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. I am an IFB. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. 3. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. Look at Ezekiel 33. Where the pastors power is total? 5. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. Using the KJV only is not the problem. (1 Tim. Its nothing personal, just logic. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. Henry Jacob. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. 4.) I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Total. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! Omissions? The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. Thanks and may God bless. PO BOX 292. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. People sin, and people attend churches. Independent Church. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. Any idiot can do that. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. There are no rules about what to give at all. God bless. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Catholic Influences on the Modern Translations, 66. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. The message is set. Dress codes are not the problems. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. I attend an IFB church. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. Enter city. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? I cannot judge this man. The person, John the Baptist. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. You are correct, I was surprised. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. 601 1ST AVE SE . It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. @bob Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. About. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. @Fran I am currently working on a research paper in seminary. The ordinance of baptism, or 2. (P.S. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. Nope, dont see that. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. Is it based on the individual church or whole congregations? Greetings, For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. 77. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. Follow us on Pinterest: Everyone knew this was a farce. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. It became an independent church in 1746. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. Again, its not about how we dress, but about who we are. Your reasoning is faulty. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia.

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