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. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. I acknowledge my sin to you. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . And I know it was a battle. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. Its come to this. I wish Id never done it. Am I characterizing that correctly? She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. What Happens Now? Am I right? I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. I remember saying we got to pray. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. And so I felt relief. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Wow! *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. Im sad for his fall. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. Ive listened to the entire recording. I wasnt looking forward to that. . John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. What what were you thinking? But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. It was a four hour meeting. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? And then you know, you would categorize these things. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. Thankfully, I had headphones on. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. Yeah. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. And I know its cost you personally. The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. But he starts arguing process. But so much else not owned. So, Dan, thank you for that. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. We did not hurry. I had all the letters at that point. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. And there is one thing we know about Satan. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. It was a conference call because it happened fast. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. All my legal fees got paid. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Yeah Cynthia. This is going amongst the elders now. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. These were people bringing charges against an elder. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. Hi. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? It wasnt an easy thing to do. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! Im Julie Roys. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. How much do you make? But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. I wish I didnt. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. Search my early tweet history. Wives submit to your husbands. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. We knew I needed to do it. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. I payed for you and James. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. Because I believe in the church. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. Bank Dismisses Foreclosure on James MacDonald's Estate After Settlement with Harvest. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. Yeah, yeah. But would he have been able to save face do you think? H arvest Bible Chapel and founding pastor James MacDonald have announced that they plan to drop their lawsuit against The Elephant's Debt bloggers and Julie Roys after a court today denied. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. How can we approve this? You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Theres no joy in doing this. 2011 NIV. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. 2. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? Ugh. He is not a pastor. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. . harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. 1) Julie Roys. And I dont need to know. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. *, In an email to TRR, Gregoire claimed that Viscontis view about women does not match the research. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. That was positioned as an attack from the start. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. The elder board is still in the dark. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? I knew I had to do it. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. And I got it. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. James MacDonald. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. . Thanks that is hilarious!! Is that how it went down? We had to deal with it. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. How about that one? Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. But this is a story that just is not going away. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Very loyal to James McDonald. What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, theres no doubt. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. And we were at a stalemate. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. Understandable. What Happens Now? Christians should stop feeding these people. Well, you know, we laugh about it. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And welcome to the podcast. Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if Im sitting, if Im sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind? But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. Great! And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. Yes, yes. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. I shouldnt be doing this. For more information on Marquardt Buick go to buyacar123.com. No one takes joy in doing this. Good to be here. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. This is James said what he said. And its to warn people, right? So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). You can unconditionally love someone. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. Imagine such a thing. 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