He was an empty canvas, grey rock, cipher. OK, but we're talking about SHAN'ANN now. Maybe she wasnt very good at Munchhausening. There is a FB group that has mentioned the Munchhausen, but its also something that the famous troll talks about and goofs on, so its been derailed a bit. I mean to stay would be commiting to hell. Especially Scooby Nickole! I dont know who he is, she texted a friend on Aug. 7, 2018. Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - Speaking about their relationshiphttps://youtu.be/2MgUoKut3UsLEONARD agreed to share my contact information with his wife for her to call, if she knew anything about SHANANN, possibly through Thrive. Even NK barely talked about what he was like. Does that mean he should kill me, too?). Four months after Shanann Watts posted that photo, her husband sits in a jail in Colorado, suspected of killing her, along with their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. My assumption is that LK would like to stay as unconnected to this murder as he can. I'm not going to bother researching Colorado's rules. Shannan and the ex's wife were FB friends, she signed her up to Thrive but she didn't do very well with it. He didnt say much, LE spoke with him briefly the report is in the discovery. But pronounce it HayZoos. "Her car is here but she's not at home. The fact that she had 3 pregnancies when she'd told everyone her Lupus doctor said she'd never have children. FFS, asthma is not so elusive and rare that several doctors over two years failed to recognize it. HEARTBREAKING images show the soiled clothing and underwear mother Shanann Watts was wearing when she was brutally murdered by her husband alongside her two daughters. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. Do there was financial issues going on. R146 If the Watts murders hadn't occurred I think as time went on the children would've been increasingly, negatively impacted by Shannan's hypochondria, delusional thinking, over-spending, vindictiveness and general megalomania. does Chris slowly pay it back by making license plates? I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. Shanann Cathryn Watts, 34 and daughters Bella Marie Watts, 4 & Celeste Cathryn Watts, 3 & unborn son Nico Lee of Frederick, Colorado, died on Thursday, August 16, 2018. Nichol Kessinger and Chris Watts started speaking at work in June 2018, and by July 2018, the pair had started a romantic relationship. Im male & a longtime DLer and you can MARY! me all you want to (Im sure I deserve it), but this confession is extremely emotionally upsetting to me to read. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. But wasnt he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? [quote]All i could think of while watching this video, is what was going thru the minds of financially strapped husbands watching their wives spend money they didn't have on these scams? Man, I wish he had consulted a lawyer. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] January 14, 2019 / crimerocket_pmfrt4 / 34 Comments. At least we know they have each others back.'. Shed go to his friends houses and make fun of them after, for being too small or not having proper china or their decor for being quaint (thats rich). I feel like I need to add something special to my name too. Chris Watts, 33, allegedly admitted to killing his wife, 34-year-old Shanann, and his daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. He was booked on three counts each of first-degree murder and tampering with physical evidence on Thursday. Shanann met Chris Lee Watts in 2010. I'm a Frau who loves THRIVE! I thought that we at DL had figured out what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was daddy who did it. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. The pregnant mother and . This sub is for factual information, mourning, and speculative discussion only - no harassment of the victims or family members. Imagine sitting in a house you cannot afford with two kids and another on the way, and a wife who spends money like it is going out of style and who keeps texting you non-stop about why you aren't responding to her texts, etc.essentially, he married a harpie. Okay. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. She would have freakouts where hed have to drop everything to console her. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. I followed the Hart murders, too. Rewatching the confession viedo. The Websleuths crazies who want to blame the victim come here. Go back to your thoughts and prayers and handwringing over how things like this can happen, while never trying to actually make sense of it beyond coming to the conclusion of CRAZY. Following the disappearance of Chris' wife, Shanann Watts, and the couple's two children from a small Denver suburb in 2018, a major police hunt ensued. But. The alienation, the excuses shes having a bad day, all of it. It amazes me to see photos and videos of Bella and CeeCee and the love they had for one another is plain to see. Chris Watts, 33, is charged with three counts of first-degree . Look at how Shanann tells Cassie to ask if she can buy a house using her Mother, since Cassie and Josh Rosenberg under went a foreclosure 3 years ago. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? But the whole alienating and making people choose. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. R199, I saw that. I would love to hear about shanann's personality from her call center colleagues. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. He doesnt say but of course, we are only getting Leonards side of the story and we cant hear Shananns. Everyone was a useful idiot, to her. R38, Id love to know how they were able to afford their lifestyle, too. Withdrawal from school because the house would be sold was preparation for divorce; he didn't think anyone would conclude murder. There were rumors that she was banging her boss, Hisham. And furnished it (with tacky shit, oh my goodness that woman liked purple and aqua). The real drama would have begun when lawyers and judges began digging in Shan'ann's finances, and discovered she was lying. A Ryan Murphy miniseries on this needs to happen. All his plans were thrown off track. I thought it was very telling of Scam'Ann's personality: SHE, and she alone, will lord over the money; yet, she was such a financial liability that her name wasn't even on the house (and I'm assuming the mortgage.). How did they qualify for such a large mortgage with the former bankruptcy etc. But Shannon was not normal, since she had her whole materialistic/I and my kiddos are so sick con gig going. Plus the kids looked unusually old in their faces. And worse he crushed his own murdered childrens skulls through a narrow opening into an oil drum. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. I remember she mentioned in her video discussing this time period she portrayed herself as a hard worker that put him through school. Jesus. Chris Watts, 33, allegedly admitted to killing his wife, 34-year-old Shanann, and his daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. On Feb. 18, over a span of five hours, Watts shared with investigators more disturbing details in how he killed his wife, Shanann, and their two daughters in August 2018. It was probably thousands of dollars in inventory combined with all that other crap they spent their money on. R23, the medical bills were because she had factitious disorder. According to a Facebook post . Chris Watts, then 33, had grown distant from his family and was seeing a new woman. You can try and shame me for being obsessed with this case, but it wont work. Shanann was running another scam, Im positive. Re, R113's : "Maybe he didn't want to be full-time parent.". Just bookmarking threads for future reading when I have time. Not that he should have killed them, but she was a cunt to him and then when she realized he wasnt going to take it anymore, she backpedaled furiously. Ugh time to FF the troll who is obsessed with this sexy murderer. Grieving husband and father. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger.. This explains why he had both female AND male secret lovers. She likely gathered up a down payment from the funds she embezzled from the rim shop, then didn't pay the mortgage. Over a similar if slightly shorter span of time, Chris Watts moved 7 times, averaging about a move per year. LEONARD denied that he currently had any policies on her life. "She had dreams to be fulfilled" and "wanted to be an exceptional wife and mother," the pastor said of Watts, 34. It's very hard to lie your way through a mortgage loan process. Even her poor kids. He had already been contacted by NBC News. There was also a history of her old houses sale price. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. And I still think that he lied about some things and left details out of this confession. Is it from medical? Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. Had Chris had 30k of his own liquid funds for the divorce and post-divorce actions, he couldve gotten primary physical custody of his kids, since Shannan wouldve no doubt engaged in parental alienation, factitious disorder by proxy, and financial disaster. Is Colorado NOT a no-fault divorce state? With the anticipation of her son to join them she knew he would be loved by his sisters and family. patches and has fibromyalgia and once walked past a man who was later discovered to wear women's underwear. She would also get child support but its based on income and its possible, only possible, she was making more than he was. She had sold her mansion in NC after they hightailed it outta there, in a hurry. The interest must have been insane. I know that being a pain in the ass isn't grounds for death; if it were, I'd have been dead long ago. Everybody was buying houses they couldn't afford and hoping to flip them for an easy profit. There are photos of Shanann in tight dresses and boobs hanging out, standing next to souped-up cars. Doubtful, and is most likely the second (or third or fourth) time Shanann lies about medical costs to cover her ridiculous spending habits. The family of Shanann Watts paid tribute to the slain Colorado mom, her two daughters and . If we assume that she killed the children, why did he not turn her to the police and secretly dumped the bodies of his children that she killed. In 2018, husband and father Chris Wattswas arrested for murdering his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two young daughters, Bella and Celeste, in Colorado (via Oxygen). Menu. R122 Well, what is your standard? I wrote that R420 post on the last thread, out of ballistic anger at how this confidence woman (conwoman) is getting canonized on other forums. And Shanann. Clothes, protein bars, vitamin supplements, make-up. Coverts are nominally closet bi-sexuals. I knowMARY! Nothing out of the box. They declared bankruptcy a couple of years ago, and, in 2018, they were already in debt to the tune of almost 500K. She's the murdered frau of Chris Watts, who also killed their two tots. Like an entire store's worth. I truly hope a movie is made of her in an honest light. But THEN, I saw her have a combination Lularoe clothing party and Pro-Bar taste testing party. Ack I live just north of Shannon Shanann Rzucek King Watts and there are lots of places to hike around. The two met in 2010 when Chriss Lee Watts was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. Has everyone already forgotten the sub prime mortgage explosion of the early 2000s? Just curious. r50 frankly even the kids seemed hard to root for. Her mother wasnt meddling in her business. Watts told investigators Shanann did not fight back, and laid on the bed as he strangled her. Does anyone know if hes made any statements or has spilled any tea? Im sure NK wasnt blaming everything on some imaginary disease (yes, I know lupus is REAL, but Shanann didnt have it). Facebook & its ilk are full of fraus like her -- none of them deserve to die but all of them are annoying as hell. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Watts. So Shan'ann's Thrive income was and remains, a mystery. She stayed at home all day gaming while her wife worked full time at Kohls. Police say the three victims were murdered in their home and later transported to the oil field. Mortgages became harder to get after the 08 recession. Stealing the kids identities? It's 2:50 am and I can't sleep. The body of Shanann Watts, 34, was found in a shallow grave near an oil tank on property owned by the oil and gas company where her husband had worked. Have you forgotten what he did to her and his own children? You are a complete moron if you think she killed her kids. Billions of dollars.. Ok, well millions anyway. Anyway, Chris apparently told detectives some more details about his crime according to local news reports today, but the reports didn't say what. No joke. R145, youre right about that. Text and recorded audio files were released by Colorado officials Thursday after an in-prison interview with Chris Watts. I think he did the world a favor by offing her. The women next to her in that pic are just fatter. The cops never made her google searches public, but i am guessing she did a LOT of searches on her milquetoast co-workers, looking for just the right pigeon to pluck. What are your theories? I also love when people say she got a huge settlement from her first husband in their divorce. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. Sounds like he was interested in counseling but she wasn't really into it, I'm guessing. In the last 10 years of Shan'ann's life, between October 2002 and January 2012, she appears to have moved an astonishing 20 times. Colorado doesnt care if a spouse is cheating. I don't think sshe would EVER have been satisfied with any sense of "enough". That was a detailed and well written article, R227; better than most others I have read about his new confession. r255/r257 is a moron. i saw a video where Shanann was making protein snacks with that thrive shit and said they were for the whole family to eat. However, she fell oddly silent after the post on August 9 at around 11.46pm, which showed the plastic doll lying shrouded on a leather loveseat. She said on Facebook that she would return from Scottsdale on Sunday, August 12. Here's what you need to know about Frank and Sandra Rzucek, Shanann's parents, ahead of this evening's interview. How much did Shanann have wrapped up in inventory? A financial, medical, and emotional con! Two days later, he was arrested in connection with their deaths. Grahm Coder says repeatedly, Help us bring them out of the cold." We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. Watts' wife was 15 weeks pregnant. The digital quality of the photo makes it look dark. I cant come back like this. May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. And, the deceased woman's mother did, as well? True R63. It has helped me to put my thoughts in perspective because nothing else has. I will be curious to know if he was on the spectrum in some way. jim martin death couples massage class san diego beaver falls football shanann watts first marriage. Shanann was such a grifter. A big fat scene to get away from the MIL, complete with an ultimatum. Said he thought another baby would fix his feelings. In response to comments on the post, Shanann said that it was a '3 foot doll' that had been wrapped in 'their twister tarp thing'. Selling prescription meds? her husband texted back in June when she sent him a photo of her ultrasound picture, according to a screengrab she posted on Facebook. He buried Shanann in a shallow grave near an oil-storage facility, and dumped his children's bodies into crude oil tanks. But a physician assistant diagnosed it when all the MDs couldnt. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. They all look like a ringing endorsement of health, R15. She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. Theres a story there. The Rzucek's Say They Loved Chris At First. Hello and thank you for registering. R230, Guuurrrl, this is the only place we're allowed to talk about her Munchausen's and Munchausen's by Proxy. Shanann Watts Brother Always Worried About Her and the Girls But Couldnt Protect Them, Days Before Murder, Chris Watts' Wife Shanann Was Worried: 'What If He Really Doesn't Love Me Anymore? That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. 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