auber pid kit gaggia classic

I have read reports of measurements of up to 8 degrees C lower at the portafilter. Have you got any ideas what might be going on? The C100 is probably made by dozens of different manufacturers. Thanks, David. Otherwise, it all works properly now. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. Also really awesome write up. Even if that is the case, i dont have a clue as to why i would be in steam mode, since i didnt touch the steam mode button or its wires, i have already reverted my swap of the power switches wires (just from up to down on the same switch so that shouldnt have impacted anything) and ive validated that the rollback was correct with a multimeter. This resulted in the PID not powering up even though the machine did. Make sure that all the new and repositioned wires are cleanly routed away from the boiler and pump and any uninsulated connectors. You could simulate pre infusion by briefly running the pump. I decided that for me, its not worth worrying about. I have noticed after PID installation that upper cup holder tray is getting quite hot during 8-10 min warm-up, which was not the case when I was using the original GCP setup. Hi Chris, Good idea Chris. Gaggia Babila. Hi Nish. I would not try anything without checking first. The lack of consistency pre-PID is frustrating, because you can get everything else right and still be at the mercy of the temperature determined by the thermostat cycle. These are located around the shower screen. Basically, instead of running the pump for a few seconds and then shutting it off (which dumps your pressure courtesy of the solenoid valve) you open the steam valve about 1/4 to half way, hit the brew switch and then slowly close the steam valve (about 5 seconds or so). Double check that this is the neutral! I had no issues with the K type thermocouple. Otherwise, as I said in instructions above, to set the brew temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. Do you think that REX-C100FK02-V*EN (designed for K-type thermocouple) is compatible with RTD (PT100) and is not going to create long-term problems with the machine/setup? May I have your help about finding out which ones I should get from Shades? When the pump runs, it vibrates the chassis and it will be a matter of time before it cuts through the wiring insulation. Thanks! It should be the power/mains line that comes out of the main power switch, but before the boiler. Youre probably fine with either one. I have not changed any of the P, I or D settings on my controller. The steam mode has its own thermostat, which is very similar to the brew thermostat that the PID replaced, except that its temperature range is more or less as you described. For the sake of piece of mind, I have ordered last night a K type thermocouple in order to replace the RTD P100 and close the open loop in my head about PID type and sensor. https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf. Maybe then try QB-T7100 afterwards and if it works I will buy the external case which is sold seperately (QB looks nicer with small size and external case). Does anybody have a Shades of Coffee pdf for the brew and steam setup on the gaggia classic, mines a 1998 classic coffee model, it would be much appreciated. You should see a strange number when the PID first powers on, then after about 3-5 seconds it should switch to the temperature reading from the thermocouple. 100% Positive Feedback. This was such a great guide. Thanks. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. Disconnect the two connectors from the brew thermostat, which is located on the bottom left-hand side of the boiler as you face the machine. Using pliers to pull the connectors can pinch them on even more tightly, making them extremely difficult to remove. This way you are not losing any pressure via the solenoid valve, you are just reducing the initial pressure to the puck by venting some of it through the steam wand. The steam mode drops to 102 before the power cycle kicks back in, with the valve open or closed. I know wiring might be different colours but is everything in the same place? And this is the thermometer out the back. Thanks for putting it together, this has helped me a lot in figuring out most of my doubts with a PID project for a Gaggia. Plug in a mains-rated cable connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original switched mains cable into the piggyback. Only needs 2 x AAA batteries. Ive seen the steaming power on the classic remains solid from 125C and up, anything below that results in mediocre steaming power, which makes me wonder if I just have an aftermarket part that shouldnt be on this machine, or is just signs of imminent failure. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. The thermocouple that I ordered fit into the threaded adapter without any modifications. The kit installation is fully reversible. Resetting or Taking out a Brewing Unit for Cleaning. Hi Chris, I completed the whole project both for brewing for PID and steaming via alarm. If in doubt, sit it out, and get some help. Is there an easy way to set a brewing and steam temp? You could definitely drill out the adapter a bit to get the thermocouple to fit. Hello, I am not surprised, Mr Shades runs an honest business, and those parts are being offered at low prices. Unlike the 7200 model, this one does not have SSR inside. PID Control Kit for Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine, White LED $164.99. Thanks for the catch, I will correct the article. I completed the installation last night and like you it too me about 5 hours But this included cutting a hole in the case stainless steel case to mount the PID controller internally, and that was probably the most time-consuming and difficult thing. Please see our Help Center's. I am guessing that its caused by the current draw of the boiler heater. If you really want to avoid the heating element switching while youre pulling a shot, you can blip the steam switch for a few seconds before brewing and that will bring the boiler temperature up a few degrees. Left or right side if facing the front of the machine? 1: This kit fits the Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9380 120V or 240V, RI9480 240V) that was released in late 2018 and early 2019, Gaggia Classic & Home which has the traditional Gaggia aluminum boiler, including 14101, RI8161/40, and RI9303 models. Monday - Friday: 10am - 4:30pm. Hi Dennis. Visit store Contact. Zip ties, heat shrink tubing, thermal paste, double sided tape, and a bolt and nut to attach the SSR are also required. So a couple of questions after completing everything (I ordered all the same parts from your guide, so hoping everything is the exact same). A couple of zip ties come in handy here. If youre not comfortable installing this yourself, and taking on any followup maintenance, I think you would be much better off purchasing a machine that comes with a PID from the factory. The pump is not wired in series with the Heating element so Im not sure what is causing this. Hi Miguel. save. Temperature unit. This is the setup that I have assembled two days ago. Here are some pictures of the Lego enclosure: https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/comments/owpfe7/i_made_a_lego_enclosure_for_rex_c100_pid/. The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. What you describe is pretty normal, except that I am a bit surprised that your steam drops temperature down to 102. Im assuming it should be fine as well to use 18 awg wire to wire the mains connections to the PID, and between the heating element and the SSR? I am not sure exactly what you did when you moved the wires terminating on the bottom of the power switch. Im all for freedom of expression and creativity, but not when it might electrocute someone. Most assembly guides recommend using some thermal paste between the SSR and the Classic to ensure that any heat from the SSR is dumped to the chassis. Useful Video. Power supply : 90-265V AC/DC Im in North America btw. A Gaggia Classic Pro installed with KIT-GGP. Feel free to hang out, learn a bit, meditate, ride a bike, or perhaps it's just time to move on. that will make it where only one SSR is needed. I have only been drinking milk drinks and americanos because the shots I was pulling were always overly bitter, sour, or both, regardless of grind and quantity. I have few questions for you about this setup. Hi , I followed the instructions but the PID starts up with some number and it doesnt look normal , LCD just keep blinking some numbers the goes of for a few seconds the I get some numbers for half a second, itso quick I cant tell what is displaying, could I have got the power wiring wrong or if the cable are higher AWG would it causes issue? Locked Topic Sticky Topic . If you had to recommend a single display PID, which one would you steer me to? If you have the regular version (RI9380 120V, or 240V), you DO NOT need this wire. I had no problem with my mod other than the stickers on the back of the PID were reversed, so the terminal markings were not correct. KIT-GG Installation Guide Version 1.3 Auber Instruments, 730 Culworth Manor, Alpharetta, GA 30022 e-mail: [email protected] Tel: 770-569-8420 www.auberins.com . Here are a couple of examples: Hi Chris, The PID gives you consistency. I found that carefully pushing the boiler up gives better access to the thermostat, either from above, or by reaching up from below. Log in or sign up to leave a comment. That being said, the original brew thermostat is supposed to be 107C, so could perhaps reach even higher temperatures? Shades uses an XMT7100 modified to run two SSRs: a DA for the brew temp and an AA for the steam temp. The only suprise for me has been that installing steam kit did not help me much because brewing kit alone helped to have great steaming power by only watching temperature climb up to 150 degrees. I actually installed mine and then saw your thread, which is awesome to see other people using the same PID. What exactly is a mains-rated wire, and where would I find one? I cant see how this wouldnt be a thermostat problem, unless you somehow wired the steam thermostat into the PID, but you would have gone way beyond this walkthrough to do that. Thanks, I see what you mean. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic quantity. This would also allow you to switch to PID-controlled brew mode simply by lowering the PID temperature. Awesome guide! Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. PWM dimmer for preinfusion This kit has a pre-infusion timer. This would explain the constant switching on and off. Replies: 2 Views: 1,615. I do not suggest autotuning for this device because there is a huge improvement in temperature stability if you do the tuning by yourself. The Classics over-pressure valve (OPV) is set to 14 bars, which is a pressure better suited to the use of pressurized portafilters. Chris has done a great job on this write up and its easy to follow. on orders over $49. Poll Moved Topic. I then thought what if? and decided to change the mains wires to the opposite terminals. With this tight temperature control, you do not have to surf the temperature for frothing because the heater will kick on much sooner than the original thermostat. However with the new steaming alarm system, I get a decrease around 10 degrees in steaming temperature as soon as AA SSR shuts down the boiler at the temperature I set, even it turns on right away (my setting is AL:156 AH:155 degrees Celcius). Steam will still be controlled by the steam thermostat. A cheap multimeter is all you need. One thing I would really recommend when anyone installs a PID system into the Gaggia Classic is to install a rubber grommet where the cables exit the machine. Once the machine has been set to 9 bars of pressure (see bottom of article), the next big improvement is the addition of a PID. Without offset the range is between 109-159, still too low. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic See More by Auber Instruments 4.8 6 Reviews CA$285.00 Earn 855 Reward Points worth $8.55! Double sided tape will work. Leave as much of the thermal grease in place as possible. Before replacing the thermostat, maybe check whether your PID and thermocouple are calibrated, before committing to buying more parts. Hard to say how long it took because I was doing other things as well (dimmer switch, boiler pressure gauge, boiler rebuild, etc.) under the name replacement PID kit parts with very low prices. 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". i set an upper an lower limit on alarms. Auber Instruments. Leave the Classic powered on for at least 15 minutes. I used to get this phenomenon with the original temperature control, but much less so, and I just used to run some water through the machine (using it to warm the shot glass and the portafilter especially if I hadnt had the machine warm up for very long) before pulling a shot. But this kit doesn't fit the European model RI9403, which has a stainless steel boiler with a different thermostat mounting. Supposed to be faster in detecting temperature changes and more accurate with the measurement. Is 103 degree Celsius the best target temperature fit the PID? Ill try to get a new thermostat from a reputable place, see if that solves the problem, and if it remains then something else in the machine is wrong. The idea of the chassis becoming live doesnt bear thinking about. Read More. Hello, there is another model without SSR built in with name 7100 instead of 7200. Hi Jun, glad you found this helpful. No gross taste. The same can be done with the REX C100 but you need one with all 8 screw terminals (the second SSR for steam uses the alarm function which needs terminals #6 and #7) and these two are missing on some REXs. AUBER. When I say old, it is still unused new in the box. But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. I hope it helps some EU folks not spending extra hours on debugging this minor EU-US model difference . For more than half a century, Gaggia has been supplying both coffee bars and homes with innovative, state-of-the-art coffee machines. By the way there are three options as 12V, 24V and 85-250V DC. Im tempted to return the GC because I never used it prior to the mod and it may have been a pre-existing issue. Should I get the Auber Instruments PID kit w/ pre-infusion or w/ steam control? As the optimal brewing temperature is 90C to 96C depending on taste, this variance means the coffee can be over or under-extracted, or worse - variable. I have to mention that coffee taste is good, not harsh or bitter. The default target temperature on the PID will almost certainly not be correct. SKU: N/A Category: Accessories,Espresso Machines Tags: -GG-CLASSIC-PCB, $100-$300, $200-$300, 12annivexcluded, 13tierexcl, 300-600, Accessories, auber-instruments, gaggia, obalist, SA-GG-CLASSIC-P, SA-GG-CLASSIC-PCR, . Try powering the PID directly from mains power, with just the thermocouple connected (disconnect the SSR). Hi Chris, Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. The PID kit you described should work, but like the C-100 kit the I used, the included thermocouple wont fit in the Gaggia Classic. My theory at the moment would be that due to the PID control the heater is sometimes on at higher temperatures. My question is where did you place the SSR, is it near the water spout, right side or in the back if you are facing the front of the machine? Based on several comments, the wiring varies between units, even though they are the same model. The rich body and complex flavor profile of a well-made shot brings the beans to life with a depth that other brewing methods fail to achieve. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). Previous topic - Next topic. So you could measure water temp at the group head at 180 deg F with the PID set to 204 deg F. There is some interesting information here: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. Please check KIT-GGX-EUinstead. If you want to defeat that auto-power-off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. (Available for download after purchasing the kit. And once you start considering adding in a power supply, you might as well go for a PID. Thank you again for taking the time to write up such a great guide. 102 is way too low, you wont get useful steaming at that low a temperature. 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