haxball extrapolation

: 3, 2 Nothing in this issue is useful, I've read it all. Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Group. Also more patterns in the game that can be recognised and used for tactics/creativity/moments of genius. The Input Delay from Flash also made out of position players punished more for their mistakes, the jukes where much more exaggerated and fun, and higher skill ceiling, 0 downside to this Input Delay that the Flash Machine added, only positives. We are just being vocal about it, but so many people hate these problems too, and many have already quit instead of wasting their time complaining. Also, I've made a few fixes to the record shortcut (press R to record) and improved the add-on settings changes in-game. Damn, just see how likes I got, I think my topic is most liked HaxBall topic on Github at the moment, @basro please, at least listen to some player and speak with him (like @Jacob-1998 or @iscoman) about why, how, what, etc. https://i.ibb.co/PCm3qp6/448ef7c93a19fdcaa19bd8f532dfdca2.png. 21:15, what to say. In simple terms, based on current values and their trend you can predict what these values will be at a specific point in the future. It is a very competitive game that has a lot of replay value. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. -/-, As you remember I gave you a long detailed email explaining the precise details as to why the TINY Input Delay (arguably 0.05msec or less, needs testing though), gave the game MUCH more structure and depth and fun and addicting everything else already stated. Colors are expressed in Hexadecimal RRGGBB, for example red is FF0000, green is 00FF00 and blue is 0000FF. Server can check players extrapolation on every game tick and if its more than 100 it will decrease it to maximum possible. : 6, 3 Before that update, it was playable and smooth as fuck, it was way too superior to Flash Haxball. Extrapolation as a term is "the action of estimating or concluding something by assuming that existing trends will continue or a current method will remain applicable". In these top matches (mostly 4v4 gamemode) you simply can't create chances like you used to be in Flash HaxBall even though I'm still one of the best players who have won anything (I'm not gonna say my name, people will now call me as nonamer as expected). It's full of randomly spams and goals now. "/avatar " (blank avatar) "/avatar _" personal favorite, _ keeps the character centered. Simply right click their name and press the mute button! Like6 At first 100 extrapolation will seem laggy and useless, but in the long run, the 100ms prediction helps A LOT with the skill, you bounce the ball on the wall, but you see everything 100ms in the future, you can control it way better once your brains adapt to it, do faster tricks, etc. It can be used to counteract the effects of input delay but at the cost of extra "warping" in the game prediction. We are disclosing this in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission's 16 CFR, Part 255: "Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising" and also in accordance to amazon associates programme operating agreement. Clears the player avatar text, the player text will be his number. I'm sure you remember when basro limited extrapolation from 200 to 50? So trying to fix a small problem, has caused a new bigger problem. The way in which HaxBall detects your location is not infallible and. This extension asks for permission to store information on your computer to keep track of your selection for which tool to enable, and also your most recent room search term. So basro, PLEASE digest all of this and take action. More ping - > having the ball let the owner trust his gameplay whereas opponents trusts their eyes -> easier juke, So maybe (and probably) the gameplay was more enjoyable, but this is harshly due to the ping more than the physic Your extrapolation settings will have no effect on how others percieve the game. You guys see me as a stubborn developer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hmY5TWERnw&t=48m28s, And FM Div 1 on the last season: It's definitely worth a try. -200 200ms . https://i.ibb.co/PCm3qp6/448ef7c93a19fdcaa19bd8f532dfdca2.png. This is where in HTML he wouldn't be punished for his mistake. The same applies to passing, when you are reading your teammates movement, you see him turn to you heavy/longer, and you see this before it happens (and with experience you know exactly what situations they will do it), so you give yourself more time to adjust your positioning so that you give the perfect pass back or the perfect angle to shoot. In fact, their timing would be off, and they would commit to the tackle too early and just get juked even more possibly. regards. I've been playing hax for 3 years now (futsal mainly) and I've been hearing the word extrapolation float around recently. It is entirely possible that flash had slightly higher input lag (although I don't really feel it and many people have complained to me that html5 has higher input lag). Welcome to Feed Me, the UK's longest running and most successful haxball community and league. X Turbo v1.0.0. And in the years 2011-2015, vps didn't exist in haxball, every room was self made by the player who had the better net, and the ping rarely went under 60 Qualities like anticipation and reading the game are not an advantage when people can use extrapolation to get perfect anticipation and reading, using no /thinking/game sense of their own. Each team can support up to 20 players for an intense and chaotic multiplayer battle! : GitHub Open on Apr 13, 2020 9999OldSchool commented on Apr 13, 2020 Remove extrapolation: I already tried this, it was a shit-fest, I wont try it again. Changes the colors of a team. Be aware that this is still a beta function! Imagine using 0 extrapolation vs 100 extrapolation, bounce the ball on the wall for a few minutes and you'll see the difference. However, the solution is not to add lag. I would like you to look at this post: https://fm-haxball.co.uk/community/viewtopic.php?p=91629#p91629, Hi @basro, In my opinion the game works well, I hope you don't remove the extrapolation, since very few people will like it. | EXTRAPOLATION 140 cis-haxball.com : 3 NicK hat- TeamSpeak 3: haxball.ts3.ru EXTRAPOLATION 140 : -/- : : cis-haxball Filp IIImusic : HaxBall Granting Right Hack v1.2. Here's one I just found with basic principles. Tools for searching rooms, auto refreshing and joining rooms, admin kick/ban shortcuts, and local-muting of other players. haxball-extrapolation Haxball adl web tarayc oyununda '/extrapolation' adl komutun snr 1000'e ykseltilmi halidir. No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. Perdn, pero hace mucho que ya no juego HaxBall y probablemente ya no puedo ayudarte. HaxBall is a physics-based multiplayer soccer game where teamwork is key. Nick: Ok . The files provided here are complied from various sources around the web and are for educational & evaluation purposes only. Clears the banned player list. Hide NavBar feature: annoyed by the lost of screen estate from the navigation bar? Another big issue would be the fake kick. If you wish to remove it, you can then use. Good evening everyone, if you think about it, let's talk a little bit about extrapolation, which is surely the main cause of haxball today, as you could have seen at some point we came down to extrapolation of 50 maximum, and players that I won't mention, were not happy and complained 90% wanted to stop the game because of that, but strangely when asked today their level of extrapolation they all say that 'they are around 70-80, or even less, how it is possible to complain if some players used this level of extrapolation and when the game was limited to 50 the players cried. This is quite a good result, as only 20% of websites can load faster. That's why there are always drama on FM 4v4 (only European league 4v4) -> https://www.fm-haxball.co.uk , there we just keep getting more and more protest about macro players, why? Did you cancel the update because people complained about it or? If someone's using high extrapolation value, he'll be more effective when he's about to fake kick (easier to fake kick if you know what I mean), but not for someone who is using 20 extrapolation even if it doesn't have effect for other players, for example. Avatar On a positive note, if your level is good and you are able to compete against these players you have unwittingly train yourself to be way better than them. I think you can easily predict x fakes if you know when they are going to use them, I used 200 extrapolation many months ago and I have no input lag currently. It is also a fact that flash had higher network latency. Local mute: don't want to see a certain player's messages? This is because the Flash Engine added a tiny Input Delay (please basro find out this number), which gave so much structure and predictability to the game, which is now disappeared completely. I'm pretty sure it would be enjoyable (not including these abusers of extrapolation). Well, basro I love the communication, that's what's the most important thing to me. It is possible that this made the game worse. Movement is faster, but space is limited, you'll get a robotic gameplay with 0 creativity and 0 options, the only way to score would be through spam and fake kicks (and harsh opponent's mistakes obviously), which is what's happening nowadays. Basro said it's a feature, but why does the effect increase with more extrapolation? haxball hax ", " . As far as I understand, latency is when something has happened in the game, but is concealed and there is a delay between when it happened and when you see it happen. Sign in : 6, 2 A seguir estamos listando uma srie de comandos que o jogo apresenta. Refer to the screenshot below for an example. And basro so you know, kingjasko just won the HCL Final I think if you fixed the physics to match Flash, extrapolation wouldn't even be a problem anymore, only something legitimate laggers would use, instead of people looking for advantages! I wish you could find the time to handle these problems and fix them once in for all. Other camera views: maybe 1.5x zoom isn't enough for you, feel free to use anything from 1.75X onwards by using the hotkeys 5, 6, 7, or 8 in-game ^^, Well, fake kick should in theory work like you said, but in reality, guys with high (100-200) extrapolation, doing fake kicks or standard movement will appear laggy and jittery to others, even if you're using 0 extra (unplayable with delays, even 30-40 that I'm using now is giving me a fair bit of delay, but extrapolation just ruins the game, even though it gives advantages on top tier of haxball). Also pay attention to the dynamics of bounces in corners, it gets trickier there with double bounces, but you can pull off some neat tricks once you figure it out. 45:00, no any hate on Smokin' Aces, well played, guys. As a recent discoverer of Haxball, I'm impressed at the level of skill of many players, but I'm struggling to replicate anything they do. Someone posted and it proves, as I said in previous comments, that extrapolation just needs to be removed and that's it. : 6, 4 Anyways, regarding the fake kick, I don't agree at all with you. Extrapolation was introduced to help the players with input delay, but the amount of players who have that problem is a small minority. You now have it :D Credits to P a c i f i c for helping with the implementation :) I would appreciate your thoughts, @basro . "/avatar " looks like a scribbled 96. oyuncu says arttka oyun zevki genellikle decektir. 2. In simple terms, based on current values and their trend you can predict what these values will be at a specific point in the future. It's all based on battle spams, which is really "nice"? So you could load it quickly next time. If you play in the sweet spot (~20-60ms) predictions are most of the time accurate, meaning your rendering is smooth and you see almost no stuttering. privacy statement. c) the HaxBall Champions League final: https://thehax.pl/forum/powtorki.php?nagranie=2d8dadb4b2491a014fa5cfbe3fa839bd 37:11, 39:42, 44:06, new meta = random goals, not luck and that's it. When you're using this mode, you'll appear more shaky (as if you were using a lot of extrapolation). Talk about haxball in here, maps, sides, players, tactics, anything related to the game. Playing with 60 extrapolation only because i can't play with higher extrapolation. We analyzed Haxcolors.com page load time and found that the first response time was 367 ms and then it took 1.3 sec to load all DOM resources and completely render a web page. It probably would be same situation, again. Haxball Cheats and Haxball is an extremely fun game to play. New in version 0.3.0: fixed the chat hide toggle key to the key under ESC! Instead, pay attention to what more experienced players do and try to learn from them. That's the problem. I don't do it out of spite. rateworks like min but lets players save up extra kicks to use them later depending on the value ofburst. The Flash Engine added tiny Input Delay to all actions, thats why the physics are different despite having the same code. A long-delayed feature - "I did in fact lag" shortcut, double click the ping graph (or ping area) to send info about your ping, max ping, fps, and red bars. You only need to launch this command once. This is important as you will see further below. Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community. Is it too hard to put the same physics (same codes) to HTML5 HaxBall from Flash HaxBall? this game was fun to play, there were lots of players, leagues back then. Its about the heavy movement, not the ping or latency or anything else like that. @kingjasko extrapolation is a rendering setting, it only affects how the game is drawn on your screen. minis the minimum number of logic-frames between two kicks. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest, Jump to: Board index Haxball General Haxball Discussion. You think we're imagining it, because when you try using more extrapolation you just see the bad side of it and you don't properly test it. 1st step in the right direction would be to strip extrapolation of all the advantages, except reducing delays, the reason it was implemented for. If you can't add some 0.05msec delay to movement and kicks, then I have another idea/feature request, I'll make a new thread on that, please dont take it as spam since its a new feature request based on what you've just told me, not spamming the same complaints as before. Learn positioning and get a feel for the flow of the game before you try to do wall moves or anything fancy. Its useful for balancing when playing against someone with higher ping than you. Just saying that basro is right at least on one point that none of you mentionned, It is waaaaaay easier to juke a player having 100 ping than 30 (the current average of western europe) hayr srf sahada dolaan insanlar var bu oyunda. : 0, 7 I certainly hope that this option is going to be disabled (or at least limited) as soon as possible. We now operate a 4v4 league and many of our players play not just in our league but various leagues across Europe. I still don't agree that it gives you an advantage, but if I could I would tell myself in the past not to implement it just to avoid this current situation. Would love some little tips. This is what Saviola, who has a good understanding of game engines, told me: Esa opcin solo cambia tu percepcin de cmo se mueve tu jugador, pero no altera en nada la fsica del juego. Where can I find you? If so, go in a Flash room and move with the ball, you will notice how much 'heavier' the movement feels, from the Tiny Input Delay, this is what we want back. : 5, 4 Sets the password for the room. : 7, 3 Press J to jump to the feed. If you go above that spot the game is constantly stuttering as the rendering refreshes and "corrects" the extrapolated predictions. Besides this, you'll also find the game's /extrapolation command, which persists between games. Already on GitHub? 1. Including kicking or banning team members or opponents. Extrapolation was introduced to help the players with input delay, but the amount of players who have that problem is a small minority. Link formatted in chat: it is now easier to click on links sent by other players through chat Only the host can use this command. Stores the current stadium of the room, the stadium will then appear in the stadium selection menu. These two effects combined could very well change how the hb classic game plays, the higher ping makes some jukes more effective since it's harder to read what your opponent is doing. , I play on 28 extrap, 1920x1080, 1.25x Zoom, 100% res, 60fps because laptop screen 60hz. No, this is dumb and I will not do it. Join either the red or blue team. My hands are tied by reality. It is very easy to fake X, you'll have less input lag, and you can use less extrapolation than you normally would. Most people play futsal because regular Haxball is so boring. High extrapolation also makes it much easier to abuse this "feature". In addition to the Search feature provided by the All-in-one Tool, this functionality comes very handy when you only are interested in a few rooms, and some of these are distant from your geographical position or not close to each other. Two new buttons have been added to the Room list view: Add Room and Show Rooms. I will proceed to continue reading this issue (I always read all issues), but I will probably not reply here again unless there's something new for me to say. The solution should be to tweak the game physics to make it harder to defend. The game became robotic and boring, even if you wanted to play differently, you simply can't, there's no space to do anything if the opponents decide to play like that. : 25, 9 The best players often use around 100 extrapolation. It is something we have to use to keep up, but don't like using because its shaky gameplay. For instance, you could save links to private rooms, different private keys for different rooms, a Discord invite someone linked in chat, or some longer chat commands you dont want to create a shortcut for (like team colors). Hello Guest Log In HaxBall Chat Bar Commands Example:/kick_ratelimit 2 15 3If a player spams kick hell kick every 2 frames for the first 4 kicks and after that hell be limited to one kick every 15 frames ( which is 4 kicks per second ). Prediction is not perfect, it makes errors. Extrapolation is a big problem, heres why: It gives a massive advantage to players who use it. Already on GitHub? Haxball Replay Analyzer is the one and only tool to analyze haxball replays. This allows you to press while always seeing the 'worst case scenario' (the heavy/longer movement the opponent could use to kick the ball past you), which makes it very easy to press and always go as close as possible WHILE never moving too close that you won't reach 'the worst case scenario' if you opponent uses that, because you are always seeing the heavy/longer movements much earlier. This means that you can kick the ball in one direction while moving in another. For the best information on whether your ancestors' town was in Hesse, Hesse-Nassau, or Waldeck and . From what I gather the things proposed are: Regarding the fake kick, it's a feature in the sense that prediction is a feature. : 12, 10 In light of the bot-hosted rooms nowadays with a bunch of commands, why not have text expansions? 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