September 2021 Looking for james white alpha omega tattoo? What Did Jesus Preach - Christianity or Islam? It was SDG who said its gnostic. //Step up and play the man// MCNiLily the really funny thing? Christians are also called to help those brothers and sisters in Christ who are failing in some substantial matter of living their faith. Either you believe what the Bible says, or you do not. This is DISHONEST folks! You should not give yourself a reputation for purblind deceptiveness trying to save him. If you are wrong about Sola Scriptura, then you are in a state of rebellion against Jesus Christ. Are you a disciple? Perhaps you think Esau is being rude to you. Im quite disappointed I read the whole thing and the Rejoice! gnostic-troll didnt show up. This Teaching ultimately led me into the Roman Catholic Church 25 years later. CareBear: Or is it only acceptable for James White to do that??? So in your mind, Carebear, Catholics have no reason to feel outrage at being compared to terrorists when they call for charity? He blogs on apologetics, culture, humor and lots of stuff. Whats happenin? Out of your long post, I found the following nugget of gold that cuts through everything else here and goes to the heart of the matter. It was nice not to have to run a words you cant say in 2021 in the US filter today as we were not live streaming on YouTube. In these contexts, repeated statements about needing to pray for the other guy ring hollow and insincere. Also, its interesting how in your most recent comment, you have excluded the White disciple; therefore, would it be unreasonable for me to concluded now that you are pointing the finger at Catholics, since they would be the one, based on what youve been implying here and on the other thread, with the malicious intents? Here is a man, White, who sought and received doctoral credentials from an institution that is not regionally accredited and has none of the attributes one associates with excellence in theological research. Thats the analogy Im trying to draw here someone who really thinks this kind of thing is acceptable is not going to be a worthwhile interlocutor. Hence, a tattoo displaying the alpha and omega letters together bridges the gap between ones soul and physical presence. The Book of Shemaiah They had a sacred book that provided an explanation of history which so far transcended every other explanation as to be unquestionable. What name-calling did Jimmy Akin resort to? Or how silly and pathetic it is? Does he give account of his ministrys collections and how he spends his time and resources? No one called Roman Catholics murderous Eric, oh the drama. Could pro-lifers feel outrage if their call to charity to the unborn was portrayed as murderous invective? This is quite a clever way of connecting the two elements of spirituality and physicality in one tattoo. While going over Calvins rebuttal of Sadoletos letter from 1539, I read a paragraph where Calvin held Sadoletos argument to a biblical standard. The Wisdom of Solomon God inspires, and the canon expresses the limitation of that action. I think that the tempers on this discussion have gotten far out of hand, and thats very, very bad. God wrote Hebrews, divinely inspiring the author (disputed though that individual may be). *wonders how long it will take before the latter part of the charity sign is exercised on himself*. I apologize for jumping the gun and mischaracterizing you. There is substantial history to back that up. Apparently, my dad doesnt count if dad knew computers well enough to do web sites and got wind of this White guy, hed probably set up a forward to a site that tears his arguments to shreds. Same way you can think something is right and be wrong. And you might be surprised at how many things called Tradition are really biblically-based. I only have a single logic class, and I know that.) The conversion of the greatest early Church Father, St. Augustine of Hippo. We dont have to follow the Ten Commandments. But in two thousand years of history my denomination, as a denomination, has never killed anyone. (And he does, for other things.) 56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. By the way, I dont see where it was asserted that trusting the Canon meant you must believe in Tradition, so I think youre arguing a point that wasnt made here in this thread. lost. CareBear, But the simplest definition of the word mystic only means one who loves God very much. Nevertheless, the seriousness you take these jokes from a fool worries me. I agree with Bills comment of thread hijack attempt. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. You must be wondering, how did the alpha omega tattoo become so popular? When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. Mr White, like the Emperor in the childrens story, is meandering down the main pike in his skivvies, afraid to admit that he cant see The Emperors New Clothes. But, fineGreg does have half a point (even as he remains metaphysically convinced of Whites sinlessness in the photoshop matter): the domain name thing is stupid and childish. [I had to become Catholic to be faithful to the Scriptures and to the Teachings of the Scriptures. In fact, most laws are made-up in the most basic sense. A person who believes what this man teaches (see his blasphemy against God in his London -Godtube program) should be calm and saying to the rest of the world, what are these people worried about; God has already saved those who are savable. Labrialumn, We deserve the society full of people who do not know the difference between between what actually occurred with Columbus, Galileo, the Inquisition, and the Crusades. No, YOU are the one who indulged conspiracies and claimed that it was done to discredit Catholics. WHATS UP WITH THAT? In short, right here is where it is clearly established that canon is not a product of tradition, but a product of divine revelation. If so, who chose you? James used to be an Elder at my church, and I've discussed the issue with him several times in the past. He also held up Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler, so we discussed that as well. And if he truly looks down on folks who would defend an Internet Apologist, what of the fact that he is defending James White, who is also an Internet Apologist by the same virtue? I will do us all the honor of believing that it is truly Gods will that we wish to do, On Earth as it IS in Heaven. Isnt it a deception to use the url http://www.jamesrwhite.org to connect to Catholic Answers? CareBear, ChurchMouse, Please quote to me how White has claimed victory via the pictures posted. None of the folks who demanded a response will answer your statements. Although not quite as fast as calling yourself Thomas Aquinas or is that the name your Mama gave you. Q: Not the gnostic thing again, please. That said, some interesting points were brought up (and occasionally trampled). Everybody knows Im rightright? The Prophecy of Ahijah[9] Esua, Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? Exercise patience. No one called Roman Catholics murderous, something the posters here seem to be ignoring in order to continue acting shocked and in disbelief so they can appeal to emotion rather than deal with issues. Your problem is with the historical record, not us. Had we more folks like you, then perhaps we could live together as brethren in the Faith rather than the viscious venom you find in the age-old prejudice: Prots v. Romanists. I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs. Ill fix your quote for you. There are only two other Foxfiers I have found, and one is on a single, defunct website. Again with the modesty! God Bless. 2) While said random posters include those with a less-than-charitable bend (and I make no excuses for them). I know your heart is in the right place, but why to you feed the trolls? Salt Lake City, Utah, Road Trip Schedule Debate: What is Marriage? That is why Inocencio wants to buy his action figure with a Cowboy hat! Offensiveness per se doesnt preclude response. There is NO reason for a White disciple to point anyone to Catholic Answers, let alone build up some elaborate hoax to discredit the Catholics here. How do you read it? Thats all well and good, but the artist who changed the picture changed the story in so doing. opponent (enemy) of King James Onlyism. Given that the comment was made the intention of injecting levity, it can be forgiven, right? Alpha Tau Omega. My parents and loved ones dont blindly follow the work of an internet apologist, regarding him and his work with blind fervor and zeal, hypocritically asking for things that they themselves dont offer. But its rather annoying when com-boxers ask Why has no one addressed my argument? 4. When was it gathered? I dont have a copy handy. Ive decided not to give up on this, in spite of a few disappointing setbacks, of which I also have been partly at fault. in Judaism the same type of traditions exist and they are known as Talmud (Oral Torah). The best thing to do is to let go and just not respond. heheh yup I believe thats been the general consensus! I wouldnt expect such a conversation to be very fruitful. Think fanatically murderous. Instead of requesting that I just go read the book, why not provide the salient points for me? Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:02:36 PM. /matthewsermonoutlines/Matthew662004.pdf+romans+ It is not a *relationship*. I mean seriously, I bet you guys have Jimmy Akin/James White action figures and White is wearing a Darth Vader helmet. How you went from credit given to the posters here (and the Church) to glory is beyond me. Shouldnt this thread now be declared over? It isnt funny to point out that the people who make vague accusations about the URL could have done it themselves? salvation. You accuse Catholic Answers for the url He has completed a BA in English, a NCTJ in Journalism and a BTEC level 4 in Art & Tattoo Design. However, with my professional background and experience he shows classic signs of one who cannot tolerate anyone who does not fully agree with him. Charity does include admonishing the sinner which Jimmy does by shaming Mr. Whites actions. I cant imagine people will give much credence to the opinion of someone with such a habit, so please feel free to rant away. There is NO reason for a White disciple to point anyone to Catholic Answers, let alone build up some elaborate hoax to discredit the Catholics here. Perhaps Jimmy shouldnt just cut off conversation. Blessed Redeemer There comes a time when the best thing is to simply not engage with the other person and only respond to correct any inaccuracies. Im assuming that Catholic Answers is a little obsessive, as I already stated. Mary is correct that if you had posted something specific, it would be easy to copy and paste, just as Ive done with your comments. //So no one should respond to Hittchens or Dawkins because they are sometimes offensive? Its hilarious that you feel that facts from the debate is irrelevant when, actually, it is the very heart of the matter! (Eric)I respect Akin but I do feel he misdirected people away from the tough theological questions. Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. I have yet to see him list a point-by-point case from him on James Whites innocence based on the actual White v. Beckwith debate. You guys are down right mean :(, if I didnt know better I wouldnt guess you were catholics. He who abides in me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for without me you can do nothing. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. I honestly believe that winning the debate is more important to him that really knowing the truth, or, believing as he does, trying to help Catholics get to heaven. Um, I have no idea what your comment, White is particularly antagonistic to White, means or is connected with. As you know by now, there are several available design options that you can choose from, to permanently display these two meaningful symbols on your skin. How much of early Church history and/or Church Fathers have you read? Just who is the you in your comment: There are reasonable expectations required to have a debate. It probably was the worst the day of your life. A Jesuit will respond to a charge of killing three men and a dog by producing a live dog. Good question, Esau. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. Absolutely. Bible versions are, Westcott and In fact, as I type this out Im scared to death Im not being as polite as I can be, that Im not letting the Holy Spirit use me here: there is something drastically wrong in the fact that some persons do not believe this is wrong. Whaddya know, I was lurking and it posted. They were still hellbound in their sins, I think those pictures and especially the insinuations about prof. Beckwith are rather offensive, yet we should not waste our time with enganging in vain discussions. Took some great Zoom calls today discussing the vine and the branches in John 15, MBTS, the Great Tradition, and Thomas (took a long time on this one), and then the Trinity, the Cross, inseparable operations, etc. As a matter of fact, one of the pivotal moments in my conversion was an AUDIO CASSETTE of James White and Jimmy Akin on a Protestant radio talk show. to the theology of Union with Christ. He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor and an accomplished debater. So while it is true there is such a thing as the sin of omission, we have to remember that prudence and patience are virtues as well. Also commented a bit on the Netherlands cracking down on farmers (enjoy the coming famines all due to the climate hoax being used as a Well, let me tell you, Rich is one happy camper. It doesnt hurt that much to say, I was wrong. (How exactly does one prove something is offensive?) What you claim to be tired of is your own gnosis, your own personal determination of what I said. Hey, phone him up and see. I think you should read his book The Roman Catholic Controversy and see what Dr. White has to say concerning the development of doctrine. Western civilization simply would not have grown the way it has if this were the case. Gosh! Did I/Do I think it reasonable to do so? CB, Sandy, Gwen and the others have a filter through which they view the church, church history, and arguments against the church. Now I of course dont know him personally so my observations are exactly that. Yes, I have heard some people report thinking to be painfully difficult. Again, there are far more effective ways to communicate that one perceives an inconsistency. But you the point. Also, I am thinking of the debate White had with that Muslim Abdul Malik, both cordialin fact there isnt a debate I can rthink of(of course havent seen/heard them all) where white hasnt been a true Christian gentleman. The counterpart is stunned silent at first. Esau: Either you believe what the Bible says, or you do not. Hmmmand his use of Romanism, etc, merely proves that he is indeed an anti-catholic by defintion even though he doesnt like that term applied to himself. I also do not wish to argue or debate. I read through a lot of these posts and didnt see anyone interact with Dr. Whites positions. I will not argue this point with him. I admire your charity. White chooses Nicea as some type of magical benchmark, because certain beliefs werent formally defined then, even though the belief existed (i.e., transubstantiation). That would be nice. Russian Orthodox? I get credit for the work I do at my job, but it doesnt involve taking glory that belongs to God. Edward: What makes you think I am refering specifically to Catholics. Proverbs 3:5, CareBear says And the analogy fails as a factual matterIslamic understanding of Quranic inspiration is of a wholly different order than even the most rigorous Christian understanding. Wouldnt they then be more intruiged to find out more about him, seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? 6. If he did, does that make it ok? Here is the video. The list can go on but the common theme each of these men have is that they have all lost in debate with White and the recordings make it painfully obvious. Mr. White, April 2004. I did do a Google search and found you indeed have credibility. There is a point where its reasonable to walk away. 2. Somebody bring me up to speed. He either (i) defends his smear as accurate and to be expected, or (ii) explains why Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM 2 Timothy 2:24-26 The Lords servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Muhammad was Constantine and the entire Christian episcopate rolled into one person. ASU is a Pac 10 school. I believe that if he did something to those who were to succeed him, passing the torch, so to speak, that those who took the torch could then pass it on. Did SDG actually say its gnostic There is no Caliph-like figure in the history of Christianity, at least on a universal scale. Important point. The Bible nowhere records that the gift of divine revelation would be lost. You means Whites claims that Beckwith couldnt really have read the documents from Trent in his twenties? As you can see in the picture above, both the symbols of alpha and omega have beautifully popped out against the circular lines, making the tattoo look like an optical illusion. Yikes. English versions! So let us continue to pray for a reform of the reform and restore back to all things in Christ including a reverent Traditional Latin Mass and true teachings that not all faiths can lead to salvation, only the One True Church, the Catholic Church And why am I not surprised?? What other language is it in, as I only know how to read plain English and write plain English, therefore I dont understand what you mean here. His pride and absolute joy is his lovely wife Jessica and their 6 children. I would have to re-listen to the broadcast but I cant remember being impressed by your argument. I can understand that Dr. White may see these pictures as funny, but he must bow to the larger view, at least in the short term, if he is to demonstrate that he is charitable. A humor killer is an attempt at humor that defeats itself by using contextual elements that are horrific or defeats the ability of an audience to access certain areas of mental space safely. Engage my posts from 5 days ago and then well get to yours. He purposely used these terms to refer to those who share Akins opinion IN SPITE OF the fact that there are actually PROTESTANTS who have voiced similar opinions about James White and share the same disgust over Whites behaviour. and 3] learn church history, archaelogy and let that information soften your collective memory [which is another word for embedded prejudice. Its probably best to move on. Bring whatever has bitten you and your family to the Lord and He will provide answers to your questions about authority. Using Dilbert would have been just as funny, if not more and then, if Catholics failed to laugh, Dr. White really could accused them of not having a sense of humor. He has contributed to more than twenty books. Offensiveness can also, of course, indicate closed-mindedness. The third is that both have slung mud. I dont want there to be confusion. With such comments as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though and I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs.; is there any doubt as to what CareBears motives were from the very start? Joe. Putting out a pad of paper for people to share their thoughts with one another is not the same as being willing to be cross-examined. apologize to ????him. The point I was attempting to make earlier in this thread (since the website was again brought up as an issue) with my Disciples of James White Conspiracy Theory is that it is just as ridiculous as the Catholic Answers/Jimmy Akin/Catholic Church Conspiracy Theory.. Be specific, and examples from the councils themselves would be appreciated. Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. Matthew Siekierski: A simple example, many Christians interpret Gods wrath on Sodom and Gemmorah, as a judgement on homosexuality and general sexual immorality. [4], White graduated with a BA from Grand Canyon University (formerly known as Grand Canyon College) and an MA from Fuller Theological Seminary. Its unworthy of Christian discipleship. Perhaps you can shed some light on this topic? Name above all names There seems to be alot of talking past each other and just general crankiness. It was obvious from the start. As at least one person has suggested above, its time to stop feeding the energy machine. and D.Min. The Revelation of Zephaniah Think of it as a healthy kind of check-and-balance system. When was it considered a conspiracy to figure that a url belonged to the site it directed to? Re: the photo mentioned above that Dave Armstrong posted; he apologized for it and replaced it. : Jesus, Esau, the claim was Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. Such a claim is based on a negative view of SOME of his supporters on this forum and ignores the existence of supporters, perhaps to include those who haved posted on JA, who have been and/or are otherwise willing to participate in serious discussion were it not for the hostilities and dismissiveness present on the JA forum. Mt 16:18: It is vile. Any other fallacious statements or can I get back to something fruitful? First, the above allegorical example of author writing a book dies a hard death of insufficiency when applied to the Word of God. Well reasoned criticism soberly offered is a blessing. And who knows? Until he does, I dont have to answer his questions. That wont work on me. Roman Catholic fanbois My presumption is that Edward is anti-religion and anti-Christian. Hort were unsaved heretics, Here is an excellent 17:21 minute video seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? I certainly havent, and dont intend to. How is one reconciled with God? And thanks for the personal attacks, mary, I really apprecaite you being mean to me when i havent down anything top anyone on here. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers.. Esau, Nowhere in any of this distraction are we dealing with the matters of God and salvation. Except that Bob also said: So neener, neener, I won and everyone else should back me up. Its almost as funny as the mental contortions of those who try to defend it. In this syllogism, Roman Catholic is qualified, ergo it is not a universal, but a particular. Have you stopped beating your wife? Theres no answer that will satisfy the situation. Say what you like but JW is an amazing man. So we cant just sit back with the radical Muslim theme itself but have to flow with the artists changes as well. I wasnt replying to him. We call it the sufficiency of Scripture as the Divine Revelation of God. I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. Heh i will say this in favor of cbs whites book excerpts: Again, I ask you, how do you know that the books that are in the bible belong there? I am half-beginning to think that we do in fact deserve it. (And of course by that I mean owning up to one.) to polarize and rally support. That illustration forsakes the context of the present situation. Now what? Taking your word that hes wrong is something no one should be prepared to do. Excuses like "it was just a little levity" count for nothing. For some, the filter includes Rome. But. This is evidenced by the spam comments that accumulate on some older threads. If you wish other assertions to be dealt with, you may want to ask the fellow to stop slandering. Funny That leaves me with a bit of a conundrum, why is a roman Catholic apologetics website bearing the name of an apologist who opposes their position. The Earlier Epistle of John [16], White is a Baptist[1] and a Calvinist. Dont make the mistake of assuming I hold the same low standard as you. But youd come up with something, Im sure. A normal day in the life of James White is nothing to us. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I just wanted to clarify that I was the Greg who wrote about how to block referrals from Websites I am not the Greg that Thomas Aquinas wrote about. Jerry, yet the same council says: No human can recall *everything. To Mr James White, you seem to have missed the point. Hes mean, mean I tell you. He has been married to Kelli for more than forty years, and has two children, and five living grandchildren. Mary Kay the Trademarked Toy only showed up after this deal started, that Ive seen. http://209.85.135.104/search Nevertheless, James White is bad news for promoting counterfeit Bible versions Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. I apologize for breaking the rules I will strive to remember to include a name in the future. It seems that once more your perception is colored by your something other than the statement itself. Glorious Lord. Evangelicals, in particular, can play a spiritual service to White by making this clear to him, since as the pictures themselves illustrate, he is deaf to appeals to charity from Catholics. Will you still EVADE the question??? This isnt an apologetics website, and frankly, most of us arent here to talk apologetics. Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. I am the LORD" (Leviticus 19:28). Carebear and Lane, All of a fabric to stir up a mess then walk away without cleaning it up. There apparently are two people using the user name Steve. Can we give it a rest, just for a day. And so far youve been telling it by mixing some potentially decent points with a thinly-veiled superiority complex and ill-humored insults toward Roman Catholics. 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